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Jan 13 17:00:10 ---	Topic for #for-j is ForrestFriday: Finish locationmap, clean up Jira, prioritise issues for next release, more xhtml2 dev, Dispatcher +docs.
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Jan 13 18:29:42 <diwaker>	hi david
Jan 13 18:31:18 <xley>	Hello Diwaker
Jan 13 18:34:38 <diwaker>	i've setup the bot
Jan 13 18:34:47 <diwaker>	its named digbot this time, to avoid confusion with forrestbot
Jan 13 18:37:12 <xley>	:-) that was funny last time.
Jan 13 18:44:59 <diwaker>	i'm now setting up cron jobs to put up the logs online
Jan 13 18:45:01 <diwaker>	should be setup soon
Jan 13 18:51:26 <diwaker>	alright, the log's set up at http://people.apache.org/~diwaker/for-j.log
Jan 13 18:51:30 <diwaker>	i'll put in on the mailing list as well
Jan 13 18:52:10 <xley>	fantastic, thanks.
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Jan 13 21:37:25 <crossley>	Hi Cyriaque, you managed to get connected this time.
Jan 13 21:37:51 <Cyriaque>	Yes I was wandering if it was working but I now have confirmation
Jan 13 21:38:30 <crossley>	yes.
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Jan 13 21:40:59 <crossley>	hey Europe is waking up all of a sudden.
Jan 13 21:41:08 <rgardler>	:-)
Jan 13 21:41:19 <rgardler>	Good morning Europe, evening Aus
Jan 13 21:43:09 <rgardler>	I'm going to catch up with myu email and then work on FOR-200
Jan 13 21:43:28 <rgardler>	If anyone needs something to do ;-) they can check the plugins have all been copied across...
Jan 13 21:43:35 <rgardler>	I thought I'd done them all last time
Jan 13 21:43:50 <rgardler>	but a couple seem to have been messed up
Jan 13 21:43:55 <rgardler>	(probably forgot to svn add)
Jan 13 21:50:24 <Cyriaque>	Ok, I am going to try to understand dispatcher v3 in order to adapt pelt contracts.
Jan 13 21:50:56 <crossley>	rgardler: What do you mean "messed up"? Can you do 'svn status' at your end?
Jan 13 21:52:43 <rgardler>	I mean I was convinced I'd done them all, but at least two (wiki and another that came up onlist) weren't done
Jan 13 21:53:12 <rgardler>	"svn status" shows I have a uncommitted change to the wiki plugin (i was working on it the other day)
Jan 13 21:54:20 <rgardler>	Cyriaque: please se my reply to Davids mail regarding to branch or not - your comments would be helpful (its radical ;-)
Jan 13 21:56:21 <crossley>	i will scan through all of trunk/plugins ... not quite sure what i am looking for.
Jan 13 21:56:59 <rgardler>	The easiest thing to do is to do an "ant test" in the plugin directory
Jan 13 21:59:16 <crossley>	Ah, thanks. But of course also see if each is using locationmap and also review each locationmap.
Jan 13 22:08:34 <rgardler>	+1
Jan 13 22:11:43 <crossley>	Argggh, you know the nice splitting up of the skinconf.xml that i did to enable easier maintenance of the plugins ...
Jan 13 22:12:21 <crossley>	wack self ... i forgot to validate them ... off to work i go.
Jan 13 22:14:55 <rgardler>	HeHe, what a shame this is not on the list, we would be able to smack your wrists for a change ;-)
Jan 13 22:15:13 <rgardler>	"always test before commit" (hehe that feels good ;-)
Jan 13 22:15:24 <crossley>	it is logged and going to svn
Jan 13 22:15:34 <crossley>	:-)
Jan 13 22:17:09 <crossley>	It can never validate. Grrr, skinconf.xml DTD insists on having the elements in a specific order. I had forgotten that.
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Jan 13 22:23:57 <tscherler>	hi all
Jan 13 22:31:20 <crossley>	G'day Thorsten.
Jan 13 22:31:30 <tscherler>	:)
Jan 13 22:33:23 <Cyriaque>	Hi Thorsten, I was wandering how I could adpat the pelt contracts for the dispatcher v3, I started to work directly in the template site...
Jan 13 22:35:55 <tscherler>	yeah
Jan 13 22:36:08 <tscherler>	like  this I am doing it always
Jan 13 22:36:36 <tscherler>	forrest-trunk/main/template-sites/v3/src/documentation/resources/themes/
Jan 13 22:36:53 <tscherler>	common/html/master.ft
Jan 13 22:37:15 <tscherler>	that is the contract that explains v3 contracts
Jan 13 22:37:37 <tscherler>	common/html/blank.ft
Jan 13 22:37:50 <tscherler>	you can use if you write a new contract
Jan 13 22:38:07 <tscherler>	now to work on pelt
Jan 13 22:38:38 <tscherler>	I would copy pelt.fv into forrest-trunk/main/template-sites/v3/src/documentation/resources/themes/ and comment everything
Jan 13 22:39:34 <tscherler>	then I would start to uncomment the contracts in pelt again and svn cp them from the themer into v3
Jan 13 22:39:35 <Cyriaque>	Exactly what I started to do, thanks,
Jan 13 22:43:02 <tscherler>	:)
Jan 13 22:43:18 <tscherler>	you are awesome. Thx Cyriaque
Jan 13 22:47:11 <crossley>	Reminder: logfile is at http://people.apache.org/~diwaker/for-j.log
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Jan 13 23:34:17 <_Gav_>	Hi Guys, will catch up on the logs etc and come back, just got in from work
Jan 13 23:34:34 <xley>	Hi Gav
Jan 13 23:34:53 <_Gav_>	Skeleten crew again
Jan 13 23:35:40 <xley>	Yeah, it won't take you much reading to catch up :-)
Jan 13 23:35:52 <_Gav_>	Congrats to Ross on ASF Membership, good stuff.
Jan 13 23:35:55 <_Gav_>	:)
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Jan 13 23:40:52 <_Gav_>	ok, caught up on logs :|
Jan 13 23:41:12 <_Gav_>	Morning Ross
Jan 13 23:43:58 <Cyriaque>	Thorsten, can you tell me why cannot use the $root variables in contracts and why I cannot access to the render-logo template which is defined in the structurer
Jan 13 23:44:01 <tscherler>	Paul is not around today, or?
Jan 13 23:44:08 <Cyriaque>	in the render-logo.xsl
Jan 13 23:44:21 <tscherler>	path?
Jan 13 23:44:26 <tscherler>	v3?
Jan 13 23:44:41 <xley>	tscherler: not heard from Paul yet on IRC
Jan 13 23:44:55 <Cyriaque>	actually, I don't know ;)
Jan 13 23:44:55 <tscherler>	render-logo.xsl ?
Jan 13 23:45:05 <tscherler>	xley thx
Jan 13 23:45:10 <tscherler>	k
Jan 13 23:45:21 <tscherler>	but it is for v3
Jan 13 23:45:23 <tscherler>	right?
Jan 13 23:45:25 <Cyriaque>	yes
Jan 13 23:45:51 <rgardler>	XLey - I'm looking at the locationmap in plugins stuff
Jan 13 23:46:03 <xley>	me too
Jan 13 23:46:08 <rgardler>	is the error you referred to earlier reported as a {project:skinconf} problem
Jan 13 23:46:15 <Cyriaque>	First, in v2 we didn't have to define a root variable in contracts, now I wander how to define it ?
Jan 13 23:46:27 <tscherler>	k Cyriaque have a look at
Jan 13 23:46:29 <tscherler>	master.ft
Jan 13 23:46:34 <Cyriaque>	Ok
Jan 13 23:46:52 <xley>	rgardler: not sure what you mean ...
Jan 13 23:47:12 <xley>	no, i was getting actual xml validation errors
Jan 13 23:47:18 <xley>	gone now
Jan 13 23:47:27 <rgardler>	OK, I'll svn up and check again - thanks
Jan 13 23:47:42 <Cyriaque>	Thorsten: Ok for the root defaultVariables, thanks,
Jan 13 23:47:54 <tscherler>	<xsl:variable name="skin-img-dir" select="$defaultVariables/*/*[@name='skin-img-dir']/@value"/>
Jan 13 23:48:16 <tscherler>	actualy it works for all variables
Jan 13 23:48:39 <tscherler>	I documented that somewhere but cannot find it where  :(
Jan 13 23:49:22 <tscherler>	jeje in master.fv
Jan 13 23:49:22 <Cyriaque>	in master.ft...
Jan 13 23:49:27 <tscherler>	:)
Jan 13 23:49:28 <tscherler>	 <!-- If you need default variables: -->
Jan 13 23:49:28 <tscherler>	      <!--<xsl:param name="defaultVariables" select="'test.html'"/>-->
Jan 13 23:49:28 <tscherler>	      <!-- then extract the variable like: -->
Jan 13 23:49:28 <tscherler>	      <!--<xsl:variable name="skin-img-dir" select="$defaultVariables/*/*[@name='skin-img-dir']/@value"/>-->
Jan 13 23:49:28 <tscherler>	      <!-- more information which variables are aviable can be found at lm://transform.xml.variable.helper 
Jan 13 23:49:29 <tscherler>	        
Jan 13 23:49:31 <tscherler>	          FIXME: This property xsl is in early stage and aims to be connected to the new established input module based one.
Jan 13 23:49:34 <tscherler>	          We need to write a custom generator for this. The generator will contact the prop-input module to get all aviable key/values and
Jan 13 23:49:37 <tscherler>	          outputs them to xml (dtd like forrest.properties.xml). -->
Jan 13 23:49:39 <tscherler>	          
Jan 13 23:50:08 <tscherler>	rgardler
Jan 13 23:50:17 <tscherler>	is there a way to use
Jan 13 23:50:22 <tscherler>	forrest.properties.xml
Jan 13 23:50:27 <tscherler>	instead of 
Jan 13 23:50:30 <tscherler>	forrest.properties
Jan 13 23:50:36 <tscherler>	for the ant build?
Jan 13 23:51:01 <rgardler>	I've not looked into it yet, but... 
Jan 13 23:51:13 <rgardler>	I am pretty sure that there is an ANT task to load...
Jan 13 23:51:20 <rgardler>	properties from an XML file...
Jan 13 23:51:26 <rgardler>	Not sure of the format though...
Jan 13 23:51:28 <tscherler>	yeah nothing default I am afraid
Jan 13 23:51:30 <rgardler>	we should check that ASAP
Jan 13 23:51:35 <tscherler>	yes
Jan 13 23:51:47 <tscherler>	I want to delete forrest.properties
Jan 13 23:51:54 <tscherler>	from the dispatcher
Jan 13 23:52:16 <rgardler>	That would need a vote as the xml properties are only in testing now
Jan 13 23:52:16 <tscherler>	all dispatcher projects *have* to work without this probs
Jan 13 23:52:29 <tscherler>	that brings us closer to multiple projects
Jan 13 23:52:32 <rgardler>	(can't see a problem, but its a major issue)
Jan 13 23:52:43 <tscherler>	yeah
Jan 13 23:52:51 <rgardler>	DO you want to call it then?
Jan 13 23:53:17 <tscherler>	atm need to finish some work 
Jan 13 23:53:36 <tscherler>	I can do later if no on beats me to it
Jan 13 23:54:10 <rgardler>	Actually, thinking about it we should decide on the branch or not issue for dispatcher (see my last mail in that thread)
Jan 13 23:54:51 <tscherler>	Yeah maybe a branch would be better
Jan 13 23:55:34 <tscherler>	I am only afraid that if I branch i need to sync that with trunk and being alone ;-)
Jan 13 23:57:00 <xley>	if each branch is quick and purpose-specific, then easy to merge. Why would you be "alone"?
Jan 13 23:57:56 <tscherler>	I am not sure if more people want to take the extra step of work related to using a branch
Jan 13 23:59:33 <xley>	i for one have no trouble - either a separate checkout or 'svn switch' (usually do the former)
Jan 14 00:01:40 <tscherler>	jeje I finally have checkeed out https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/forrest as whole. ;-)
Jan 14 00:02:03 <tscherler>	so I would need to change my config
Jan 14 00:02:10 <xley>	Huh? 
Jan 14 00:02:56 <tscherler>	(12:59:43) xley: i for one have no trouble - either a separate checkout  -> then you need to change some configs on my system
Jan 14 00:02:57 <xley>	i only have three checkouts of separate parts, never ever done whole of /repos/asf/forrest
Jan 14 00:03:05 <tscherler>	jeje
Jan 14 00:03:09 <tscherler>	it is nice
Jan 14 00:03:27 <tscherler>	I have done it for lenya as well
Jan 14 00:03:54 <xley>	i am confused sorry - don't know what you mean
Jan 14 00:03:56 <tscherler>	now whatever problem occurs on any branch I can look it up on my hd
Jan 14 00:04:33 <tscherler>	i have 
Jan 14 00:04:33 <tscherler>	svn co  https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/lenya 
Jan 14 00:04:35 <tscherler>	as well
Jan 14 00:05:09 <xley>	so all the really really old branches too (in forrest)?
Jan 14 00:05:17 <tscherler>	yeahs
Jan 14 00:05:20 <tscherler>	jeje
Jan 14 00:05:31 <tscherler>	it is nice to see how we changed
Jan 14 00:05:37 <xley>	big disk!
Jan 14 00:06:55 <xley>	anyway way did you say "so I would need to change my config" when we talked about branches above?
Jan 14 00:08:58 <tscherler>	yes
Jan 14 00:09:21 <tscherler>	I need to set $FORREST_HOME
Jan 14 00:10:39 <xley>	okay, i wondered if you meant that. I use separate shell windows spread out on my desktop - different FORREST_HOME in each, works okay.
Jan 14 00:14:05 <tscherler>	K, never thought about that but very useful indeed
Jan 14 00:14:28 <tscherler>	you are on Mac OX, right
Jan 14 00:14:51 <xley>	yep, but i used to do the same on Linux.
Jan 14 00:15:06 <_Gav_>	Looking around v3 I see in common/html a file called xhtml2-content-body.ft and in ...
Jan 14 00:15:17 <xley>	easier there with the virtual desktops.
Jan 14 00:15:33 <_Gav_>	common/xhtml2 a file called body.ft . Which is the one to use?
Jan 14 00:15:52 <tscherler>	gav yeah v3 is expecting xhtml2 as input
Jan 14 00:16:18 <tscherler>	body.ft is providing the input for xhtml2-content-body.ft
Jan 14 00:16:46 <_Gav_>	I see, thanks
Jan 14 00:16:56 <tscherler>	better said the default is xdocs, but xhtml2 is as well supported
Jan 14 00:17:15 <tscherler>	I change the data model matching
Jan 14 00:17:37 <tscherler>	what have been done by document-to-toc.xsl is now a contract
Jan 14 00:17:45 <tscherler>	toc.ft
Jan 14 00:18:05 <tscherler>	or in your case body.ft was document-to-body.xsl
Jan 14 00:18:32 <_Gav_>	ok, so xhtml2 compliant sites are in the near future then?
Jan 14 00:19:08 <tscherler>	I am +1 to release the dispatcher based on xhtml2 as internal format
Jan 14 00:19:23 <tscherler>	as default input
Jan 14 00:19:35 <tscherler>	and see the sample in v3
Jan 14 00:19:47 <tscherler>	xhtml2 sites are there ;-)
Jan 14 00:20:06 <tscherler>	if you mean xhtml2 as output format
Jan 14 00:20:16 <tscherler>	that is as well possible 
Jan 14 00:20:33 <_Gav_>	Cool, will take a look(Not that there is a W3C Validation to work to yet, just a working draft)
Jan 14 00:20:42 <tscherler>	it is "only" defining a new view in the structurer
Jan 14 00:20:47 <_Gav_>	Yeah, output.
Jan 14 00:21:06 <tscherler>	yeah that I have not done yet
Jan 14 00:21:44 <tscherler>	I am not to happy with the code how I made xhtml2 body.ft 
Jan 14 00:21:47 <tscherler>	working
Jan 14 00:22:00 <_Gav_>	I need to familiarise myself again. Been away from Forrest since before Christmas really.
Jan 14 00:22:00 <tscherler>	I need to find a smoother way
Jan 14 00:22:26 <tscherler>	yeah me too but I had 12 days of warmup again ;-)
Jan 14 00:24:13 <tscherler>	the problem (for the log) with the current body.ft is that you need to define body-to-xhtml2.fv in the xdocs dir 
Jan 14 00:24:48 <tscherler>	as structurer definition 
Jan 14 00:25:51 <tscherler>	but that leads us straight to a discussion about moving structurer definitions out of the xdocs dir
Jan 14 00:34:16 <_Gav_>	What I am interested in eventually is to get XHTML2 output and make use of the new W3C proposed structure.
Jan 14 00:34:31 <xley>	rgardler: the first 8 plugins have a locationmap
Jan 14 00:34:40 <xley>	and i am gradually testing their builds.
Jan 14 00:34:57 <xley>	The last 6 still have no locationmap: simplifiedDocbook, wiki, IMSManifest, POD, Text, pdf
Jan 14 00:35:43 <_Gav_>	e.g use of <h> instead of <h1><h2> etc, <separator /> and all that is in xhtml2_subset.xml
Jan 14 00:36:51 <_Gav_>	Obviously IE does not handle this yet, IE7 does in part I hear, Firefox in part, Opera 8 mostly.
Jan 14 00:37:34 <_Gav_>	But Im wandering, anything need looking at anyone ?
Jan 14 00:40:58 <rgardler>	re - plugins - I'm sick i must have failed to do svn add and have done a fresh checkout since :-(
Jan 14 00:41:09 <rgardler>	Will redo the locationmaps after Zeph has finished his dinner
Jan 14 00:42:19 <xley>	oh dear, we have probably all done that sort of thing.
Jan 14 00:50:46 <tscherler>	yeah, but like you stated there is no browser yet supporting xhtml2 so that lower the priority
Jan 14 00:51:17 <Cyriaque>	Thorsten, I got a problem when I chain two hooks with the same name :
Jan 14 00:51:18 <tscherler>	opera does nearly
Jan 14 00:51:19 <tscherler>	k
Jan 14 00:51:33 <Cyriaque>	For instance :
Jan 14 00:51:33 <tscherler>	yeah
Jan 14 00:51:34 <tscherler>	argh
Jan 14 00:51:39 <tscherler>	it is a bug
Jan 14 00:51:44 <tscherler>	please describe
Jan 14 00:51:54 <tscherler>	in the transformer I guess
Jan 14 00:52:12 <Cyriaque>	I send a mail to the dev list cause it's a bit long to explain...
Jan 14 00:52:19 <tscherler>	k
Jan 14 00:52:22 <tscherler>	perfect
Jan 14 00:54:45 <_Gav_>	forrest run did not work after a seed-v3
Jan 14 00:55:04 <_Gav_>	Request URI
Jan 14 00:55:04 <_Gav_>	index.html
Jan 14 00:55:04 <_Gav_>	cause
Jan 14 00:55:04 <_Gav_>	dispatcherError: 500 - Internal server error
Jan 14 00:55:04 <_Gav_>	The contract "content-abstract" has thrown thrown an exception by resolving raw data from "cocoon://index.abstract.xml".
Jan 14 00:55:05 <_Gav_>	dispatcherErrorStack:
Jan 14 00:55:07 <_Gav_>	 org.xml.sax.SAXParseException: Premature end of file.
Jan 14 00:55:09 <_Gav_>	request-uri
Jan 14 00:55:11 <_Gav_>	/index.html;jsessionid=2ti4bd56437ae
Jan 14 00:56:06 <_Gav_>	Maybe I'll try a build clean, build then come back!
Jan 14 00:56:07 <Cyriaque>	Thorsten: Ok, you can check my mail - [Dispatcher v3] Problem chaining hooks with the same name...
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Jan 14 01:01:56 <tscherler>	yeah do a build clean
Jan 14 01:02:23 <tscherler>	but better work directly in the template-site for now
Jan 14 01:02:40 <tscherler>	since Cyriaque is doing lots of work there right now
Jan 14 01:02:49 <_Gav_>	Im getting that impression, loads of errors from doing a forrest site too
Jan 14 01:02:50 <tscherler>	and svn up 
Jan 14 01:03:03 <tscherler>	yeah site is broken
Jan 14 01:03:07 <tscherler>	I know
Jan 14 01:03:23 <_Gav_>	no problem, just thought Id try it
Jan 14 01:03:31 <tscherler>	I need to merge v3 with the plugins
Jan 14 01:03:34 <tscherler>	k
Jan 14 01:03:35 <tscherler>	thx
Jan 14 01:03:48 <tscherler>	Cyriaque moment please will read now
Jan 14 01:24:30 <_Gav_>	Cyriaque, you have no closing slash on your first contract
Jan 14 01:24:31 <_Gav_>	  <forrest:contract name="branding-logo"> 
Jan 14 01:24:42 <_Gav_>	Is that a problem
Jan 14 01:24:50 <_Gav_>	or a typo
Jan 14 01:26:42 <Cyriaque>	No, it's a copy/paste with simplification, the contract call is much more complicated :)
Jan 14 01:29:19 <_Gav_>	ok
Jan 14 02:18:22 <xley>	i have checked the following plugins for locationmap: OpenOffice.org, PhotoGallery, dtdx, excel, feeder, listLocations, projectInfo, simplifiedDocbook
Jan 14 02:19:27 <xley>	the projectInfo has something strange with the version numbers in build.xml having "-dev".
Jan 14 02:19:41 <xley>	bedtime now, will do some more tomorrow.
Jan 14 02:20:08 <rgardler>	Thanks for your help David - I think I just have the wiki plugin to do now
Jan 14 02:20:21 <rgardler>	I'll explain the version number via the dev list
Jan 14 02:20:28 <rgardler>	Good night - sleep well
Jan 14 02:20:42 <tscherler>	 yeah daid see u
Jan 14 02:20:52 <xley>	:-)
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Jan 14 02:23:06 <rgardler>	contracts folk...
Jan 14 02:23:22 <rgardler>	When you get to the feeder contract I think this should be moved into the feeder plugin since it is dependant on that
Jan 14 02:26:20 <xley>	Ross, don't forget to increment the plugin version numbers when they now depend on locationmap.
Jan 14 02:41:54 <rgardler>	Thanks david - I saw your commits with respect to other plugins.
Jan 14 02:42:07 <rgardler>	We also need to update in plugins.xml
Jan 14 02:42:18 <rgardler>	(maybe I'll find the time to generate that from build.xml)
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Jan 14 04:09:57 <rgardler>	OK, I finished the plugins for locationmaps (again!)
Jan 14 04:10:14 <rgardler>	I've got to go out in about half an hour and will not be back again
Jan 14 04:11:23 <rgardler>	I'll be checking in once in a while
Jan 14 04:11:34 <rgardler>	but only have mobile phone connection so not sticking around
Jan 14 04:11:45 <rgardler>	Anything need doing before I go?
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Jan 14 06:36:58 <kronenpj>	Quiet group...
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Jan 14 08:03:42 <kronenpj>	Good Morning David!
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Jan 14 08:58:32 <xley>	Hello Paul, are you still there
Jan 14 09:02:14 <kronenpj>	I am David.
Jan 14 09:02:47 <kronenpj>	s/m D/m, D/
Jan 14 09:03:37 <xley>	it is quiet around here.
Jan 14 09:04:19 <xley>	you mentioned recently that you still have trouble using the forrestbot
Jan 14 09:04:32 <xley>	do you need any help with that?
Jan 14 09:05:02 <kronenpj>	It really is...  I think I have forrestbot running.  I don't exactly remember what I fixed because I started over from scratch.
Jan 14 09:05:21 <kronenpj>	I know there were some errors in the forrest build so that was stopping the deployments.
Jan 14 09:05:53 <kronenpj>	I haven't yet done any work to get deployments going, but that's next.
Jan 14 09:06:13 <xley>	well that sounds like good progress
Jan 14 09:06:31 <kronenpj>	Yep, I'm pleased with it so far.
Jan 14 09:07:00 <kronenpj>	I'm still hanging on the v3 stuff...  The old pelt site is working nicely, but the v1/v2/v3 transition has been interesting.
Jan 14 09:11:20 <kronenpj>	I need to go attach a wire to my house before the rain comes in.  I'll be back... :)
Jan 14 09:12:09 <xley>	how does wire help :-) attach the house to the ground?
Jan 14 09:18:09 <kronenpj>	That's the *other* wire.  This one helps attach the house to the sky...
Jan 14 09:19:39 <xley>	both are useful in Florida i suppose.
Jan 14 09:20:08 <kronenpj>	Yes, but in this case, they're not strictly attached to each other...  There's a radio in between.
Jan 14 09:21:34 <kronenpj>	Oh, I suppose I should do another errand...  This one will take longer, sigh.
Jan 14 09:21:45 <xley>	I see that you use the "wholesite.pdf" on the CFAS website. Other people report problems with that.
Jan 14 09:22:00 <kronenpj>	I don't use it, it just comes with the package.
Jan 14 09:22:01 <xley>	okay, i will be here on and off today.
Jan 14 09:22:26 <kronenpj>	I can stay for a bit if there's interaction (fixing pool heater isn't on the top of the fun-to-do list)
Jan 14 09:23:35 <kronenpj>	But I probably should do the pool thing.  I'll catch up when I return.
Jan 14 09:23:37 <kronenpj>	Thanks David!
Jan 14 09:23:41 <xley>	sure
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Jan 14 11:23:03 <tscherler>	hi
Jan 14 11:23:13 <tscherler>	david are you already wake?
Jan 14 11:23:31 <xley>	Yeah 10:30 am
Jan 14 11:23:40 <tscherler>	:)
Jan 14 11:23:44 <tscherler>	we lost
Jan 14 11:23:46 <tscherler>	:(
Jan 14 11:23:57 <tscherler>	but I had my personal best game :)
Jan 14 11:24:45 <xley>	so that team needs to duplicate you, as we do.
Jan 14 11:25:15 <tscherler>	jeje
Jan 14 11:25:40 <tscherler>	no their are far better players then me (in bball and here ;-) )
Jan 14 11:36:29 <tscherler>	had a lucky day
Jan 14 11:36:58 <tscherler>	tomorrow or better in 17 hours I have another match
Jan 14 11:37:13 <tscherler>	let us see whether I can be even better ;-)
Jan 14 14:06:01 <xley>	... got distracted to the Incubator website. Thanks for the contributions Gavin.
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Jan 14 18:01:01 <xley>	closing now
Jan 14 18:02:02 <xley2>	  
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