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Nov 11 18:36:23 <diwaker>	hey guys
Nov 11 18:36:29 <diwaker>	whats going on?
Nov 11 18:38:55 <pbol>	...waiting, I think.
Nov 11 18:39:12 <diwaker>	ah so
Nov 11 18:39:30 <diwaker>	pbol: sorry, dont recognize the nick. i'm diwaker :)
Nov 11 18:39:54 <pbol>	I'm Paul. Somewhat of a lurker I'm afraid.
Nov 11 18:40:17 <pbol>	You in western US?
Nov 11 18:40:34 <xley>	gidday paul
Nov 11 18:40:38 <xley>	hi diwaker
Nov 11 18:40:48 <diwaker>	hi david
Nov 11 18:40:53 <diwaker>	hi paul
Nov 11 18:41:00 <diwaker>	pbol: san diego, actually
Nov 11 18:41:49 <xley>	yes i was just waiting till some people joined, also doing a few other things
Nov 11 18:42:04 <diwaker>	ok
Nov 11 18:42:23 <diwaker>	i'll be in and out. but i think i have a solid 2 hrs.
Nov 11 18:42:33 <xley>	you haven't missed anything yet diwaker
Nov 11 18:42:41 <diwaker>	if i can get concrete directions for what to do, i can start working on something :-)
Nov 11 18:42:45 <pbol>	Hey, I saw that :before :after stuff on your site. That's pretty interesting. It only seems to work in Firefox though.
Nov 11 18:43:30 <diwaker>	pbol: really? its a CSS2 standard. shud work in all khtml derivatives as well (safari, konqueror etc). i don't really bother too much about IE.
Nov 11 18:43:55 <xley>	whatever you want to work on
Nov 11 18:44:05 <xley>	plenty of issues at Jira :-)
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Nov 11 18:45:20 <xley>	hi tim, you found a client
Nov 11 18:45:37 <twilliams>	yeah, i ended up just using xchat evaluation
Nov 11 18:46:08 <twilliams>	as long as this forrest friday doesn't go on longer than 30 days i should be good
Nov 11 18:48:08 <xley>	until JennyCurran arrives ...
Nov 11 18:48:10 <xley>	http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/forrest/events/forrest-friday/20051111-log.txt
Nov 11 18:50:45 <diwaker>	twilliams: i suppose u've looked at mIRC? http://www.mirc.com/ -- its the grand daddy of all windoze irc clients
Nov 11 18:52:24 <twilliams>	yeah, it has a 30 day eval period too then $20
Nov 11 18:52:58 <twilliams>	i'd rather install LILO on my laptop and get xchat for free
Nov 11 18:52:59 <diwaker>	oh too bad
Nov 11 18:53:50 <twilliams>	anyway, it's nice to start at the beginning of one of these... it's 8:53PM here in honolulu 
Nov 11 18:53:58 <diwaker>	xley: i'm trying to start up a bot
Nov 11 18:54:00 <diwaker>	just as backup
Nov 11 18:54:02 <diwaker>	we shud see it soon
Nov 11 18:54:12 <diwaker>	10:54 pm here in san diego :)
Nov 11 18:54:19 <xley>	great, can it show a live log
Nov 11 18:54:31 <twilliams>	who's pbol?
Nov 11 18:54:34 <diwaker>	i think i can work that. we'll see
Nov 11 18:54:54 <xley>	5:45 here is east coast australia
Nov 11 18:54:59 <xley>	5:54
Nov 11 18:55:37 <xley>	twilliams: Paul Bolger from the red centre of Australia, eh
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Nov 11 18:57:21 <twilliams>	thanks... 
Nov 11 18:58:05 <xley>	where is the URL for that map of Forrest developers that Ross started?
Nov 11 18:58:41 <xley>	hey isn't forrestbot clever, IRC too
Nov 11 18:58:43 <pbol>	Oh, Sorry - doing something else for a minute. 
Nov 11 18:59:01 <twilliams>	http://www.frappr.com/apacheforrest
Nov 11 18:59:42 <twilliams>	although my position is more than 4000miles away at the moment i think
Nov 11 18:59:54 <pbol>	I'm in Alice Springs. You're in Goulburn aren't you?
Nov 11 18:59:57 <diwaker>	http://www.frappr.com/apacheforrest
Nov 11 19:00:18 <diwaker>	damn! tim beat me to it
Nov 11 19:00:23 <xley>	yes paul
Nov 11 19:00:28 <diwaker>	i'm just playing around with forresbot :)
Nov 11 19:03:00 <xley>	Wow, Paul ... The Alice looks amazing with the satellite background
Nov 11 19:03:51 <pbol>	Take a look using Google Earth, mind you anywhere looks good in GE...
Nov 11 19:04:55 <pbol>	Sorry to keep OTing, but Firefox 1.5 just came out, like five minutes ago...
Nov 11 19:06:39 <pbol>	Maybe I should get onto something directly Forrest related (and I'm going to have to nick off in a few minutes, have to pick up my daughter from childcare). 
Nov 11 19:08:45 <xley>	plenty of time ... at least 24 hours, we probably all pop in and out
Nov 11 19:09:20 <twilliams>	Oh, by the Paul... Ga==Georgia, U.S.
Nov 11 19:09:29 <diwaker>	except for david, he's around all the time :-)
Nov 11 19:09:42 <pbol>	I  think it'd be a good idea to try and clean up the html and CSS that's being produced by Forrest. The problem isn't that there's anything grossly wrong with it, but IMO the approach could be better. 
Nov 11 19:10:11 <xley>	good one diwaker :-)
Nov 11 19:10:40 <twilliams>	except for when he's making his oatmeal...
Nov 11 19:11:12 <diwaker>	forrestbot: list
Nov 11 19:11:12 <forrestbot>	diwaker: Admin, Channel, Config, Misc, Owner, and User
Nov 11 19:11:16 <xley>	or a stiff gin.
Nov 11 19:12:15 <twilliams>	i was gonna go with porradge but i can't spelll the stuff;) so i had to do it american style...
Nov 11 19:12:58 <twilliams>	so it seems we're in another gray Forrest Friday in terms of a mission, ehhh?
Nov 11 19:14:01 <twilliams>	[off topic] I thought I'd get it in that today is the Marine Corps Birthday here in the U.S.
Nov 11 19:15:01 <pbol>	they all have the same birthday? like racehorses?
Nov 11 19:16:17 <twilliams>	i'm not familiar with horses but the Marine Corps as an organization celebrates its birthday on 10 November every year
Nov 11 19:16:49 <diwaker>	forrestbot is dumb. arghhh. i'll try another bot now
Nov 11 19:16:49 <forrestbot>	diwaker: Error: "is" is not a valid command.
Nov 11 19:17:02 <diwaker>	forrestbot: list all
Nov 11 19:17:03 <forrestbot>	diwaker: Error: 'all' is not a valid plugin.
Nov 11 19:17:07 <diwaker>	forrestbot: list
Nov 11 19:17:07 <forrestbot>	diwaker: Admin, Channel, Config, Misc, Owner, and User
Nov 11 19:17:10 <diwaker>	forrestbot: list Channel
Nov 11 19:17:11 <forrestbot>	diwaker: addcapability, alert, capabilities, cycle, dehalfop, deop, devoice, disable, enable, halfop, ignore, ignores, invite, kban, key, kick, limit, lobotomies, lobotomize, mode, moderate, nicks, op, permban, permbans, removecapability, setcapability, setdefaultcapability, unban, unignore, unlobotomize, unmoderate, unpermban, unsetcapability, and voice
Nov 11 19:17:38 <diwaker>	forrestbot: help alert
Nov 11 19:17:38 <forrestbot>	diwaker: (alert [<channel>] <text>) -- Sends <text> to all the users in <channel> who have the <channel>,op capability.
Nov 11 19:17:51 <diwaker>	ok, its actually smarter than my needs
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Nov 11 19:19:35 <xley>	Does it log the time as UTC?
Nov 11 19:21:16 <xley>	diwaker: i am not an experienced channel operator. This is my first. I think that i can make you an op too.
Nov 11 19:22:50 ---	xley gives channel operator status to diwaker
Nov 11 19:22:59 <xley>	there you go
Nov 11 19:23:00 <diwaker>	oh thats ok, i dont need op rights
Nov 11 19:23:20 ---	xley removes channel operator status from diwaker
Nov 11 19:23:24 <diwaker>	i was just trying to get that bot to work. seems like its much more than just a logger (supybot.com)
Nov 11 19:23:45 <diwaker>	anyways, i think i shud spend the time doing more useful things :)
Nov 11 19:24:03 <xley>	a live log is very useful
Nov 11 19:24:21 <xley>	last times i found that it helps communications during the day
Nov 11 19:24:56 <twilliams>	jenny, if that's what a live log is, is always very helpfu... not bad on the eyes either;)
Nov 11 19:25:21 <xley>	but don't persist if it is too hard. I will upload to svn from time-to-time
Nov 11 19:25:37 <twilliams>	ok it looks like the topic is...
Nov 11 19:25:43 <twilliams>	...finish locationmap
Nov 11 19:25:50 <twilliams>	.... clean up JIRA
Nov 11 19:26:04 <twilliams>	... prioritize issues for next release
Nov 11 19:26:12 <twilliams>	... more xhtml2 dev
Nov 11 19:26:21 <xley>	pbol: enhancing the CSS and html output is definitely a goal, not sure about today.
Nov 11 19:27:24 <twilliams>	wouldn't that be a function of Views enhancements?  i don't know what that goal implies
Nov 11 19:27:38 <xley>	yes i reckon so
Nov 11 19:29:00 <twilliams>	i've got an xdoc2xhtml plugin setup on my box, it's got a lot of work to do but i reckon that'll be what i'll work on this evening
Nov 11 19:29:18 <twilliams>	oops ... that's xdoc2xhtml2 plugin;)
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Nov 11 19:30:27 <diwaker>	forrestbot: list
Nov 11 19:30:28 <forrestbot>	diwaker: Admin, Channel, Config, Misc, Owner, and User
Nov 11 19:30:29 <twilliams>	when Ross shows up, we can discuss locationmap stuff -- i'm not real sure what's left to do as I think that some of the tasks in JIRA have actually been completed
Nov 11 19:30:35 <diwaker>	forrestbot: list Admin
Nov 11 19:30:36 <forrestbot>	diwaker: addcapability, channels, ignore, ignores, join, nick, part, removecapability, and unignore
Nov 11 19:30:40 <--	diwaker (n=diwaker@cpe-66-74-194-62.san.res.rr.com) has left #for-n ("Konversation terminated!")
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Nov 11 19:30:49 <diwaker>	forrestbot: list Misc
Nov 11 19:30:50 <forrestbot>	diwaker: action, apropos, author, contributors, help, hostmask, last, list, more, notice, plugin, private, revision, source, tell, and version
Nov 11 19:31:00 <diwaker>	forrestbot: list Misc.action
Nov 11 19:31:01 <forrestbot>	diwaker: Error: 'Misc.action' is not a valid plugin.
Nov 11 19:31:06 <diwaker>	forrestbot: load
Nov 11 19:31:06 <forrestbot>	diwaker: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
Nov 11 19:31:13 <diwaker>	forrestbot: whoami
Nov 11 19:31:15 <forrestbot>	diwaker: I don't recognize you.
Nov 11 19:31:20 <diwaker>	forrestbot: identify diwaker zuzurello
Nov 11 19:31:20 <forrestbot>	diwaker: Error: That operation cannot be done in a channel.
Nov 11 19:31:45 <diwaker>	forrestbot: whoami
Nov 11 19:31:46 <forrestbot>	diwaker: diwaker
Nov 11 19:31:48 <twilliams>	> forrestbot: diwaker: I don't recognize you.
Nov 11 19:31:53 <twilliams>	now that's funny
Nov 11 19:32:00 <diwaker>	dont mind me guys
Nov 11 19:32:05 <diwaker>	i'm just playing around with this bot stuff
Nov 11 19:32:09 <diwaker>	once i figure it out
Nov 11 19:32:18 <diwaker>	i can just run it everytime :)
Nov 11 19:32:25 <diwaker>	forrestbot: load ChannelLogger
Nov 11 19:32:26 <forrestbot>	diwaker: The operation succeeded.
Nov 11 19:32:31 <diwaker>	forrestbot: list
Nov 11 19:32:32 <forrestbot>	diwaker: Admin, Channel, ChannelLogger, Config, Misc, Owner, and User
Nov 11 19:32:36 <diwaker>	forrestbot: list ChannelLogger
Nov 11 19:32:36 <forrestbot>	diwaker: Error: That plugin exists, but it has no commands with help.
Nov 11 19:33:03 <diwaker>	cool
Nov 11 19:33:09 <diwaker>	i think i got it to do logging stuff now :-)
Nov 11 19:33:26 <xley>	diwaker: perhaps you calling forrestbot "dumb" set it off
Nov 11 19:33:38 <diwaker>	you never know. these machines, i tell you!
Nov 11 19:33:50 <diwaker>	forrestbot: load ChannelStats
Nov 11 19:33:51 <forrestbot>	diwaker: The operation succeeded.
Nov 11 19:36:01 <xley>	i think that i will work on FOR-200 ... getting things to use the locationmap
Nov 11 19:36:28 <diwaker>	forrestbot: list ChannelStats
Nov 11 19:36:28 <forrestbot>	diwaker: channelstats and stats
Nov 11 19:36:39 <xley>	that is something that other developers can help with too
Nov 11 19:36:43 <diwaker>	forrestbot: help ChannelStats.stats
Nov 11 19:36:43 <forrestbot>	diwaker: Error: There is no command channelstats.stats.
Nov 11 19:36:47 <diwaker>	forrestbot: help stats
Nov 11 19:36:48 <forrestbot>	diwaker: (stats takes no arguments) -- Returns some statistics on the user database.
Nov 11 19:36:51 <xley>	and Jira
Nov 11 19:36:52 <diwaker>	forrestbot: help channelstats
Nov 11 19:36:53 <forrestbot>	diwaker: (channelstats [<channel>]) -- Returns the statistics for <channel>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself.
Nov 11 19:37:03 <diwaker>	forrestbot: channelstats
Nov 11 19:37:03 <forrestbot>	diwaker: On #for-n there have been 13 messages, containing 646 characters, 92 words, 0 smileys, and 0 frowns; 0 of those messages were ACTIONs.  There have been 0 joins, 0 parts, 0 quits, 0 kicks, 0 mode changes, and 0 topic changes.
Nov 11 19:38:31 <diwaker>	forrestbot: load QuoteGrabs
Nov 11 19:38:31 <forrestbot>	diwaker: The operation succeeded.
Nov 11 19:38:57 <diwaker>	forrestbot: load URL
Nov 11 19:38:57 <forrestbot>	diwaker: The operation succeeded.
Nov 11 19:41:18 <twilliams>	speaking of JIRA, is there any way to force the selection of a component?
Nov 11 19:41:48 <xley>	more info please
Nov 11 19:42:58 <twilliams>	right now we can enter an issue and, I presume, the default is "No Component" or some such
Nov 11 19:43:16 <twilliams>	we have categories for "Other" and "Unknown"
Nov 11 19:44:04 <twilliams>	i can't imagine why anyone wouldn't choose a component other than laziness
Nov 11 19:44:26 <diwaker>	forrestbot: channellogger.flushImmediately=True
Nov 11 19:44:27 <forrestbot>	diwaker: Error: "channellogger.flushImmediately=True" is not a valid command.
Nov 11 19:44:28 <xley>	me either ...
Nov 11 19:44:43 <diwaker>	forrestbot: list
Nov 11 19:44:44 <forrestbot>	diwaker: Admin, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Misc, Owner, QuoteGrabs, URL, and User
Nov 11 19:44:47 <diwaker>	forrestbot: Config
Nov 11 19:44:48 <forrestbot>	diwaker: (Config <name> [<value>]) -- If <value> is given, sets the value of <name> to <value>. Otherwise, returns the current value of <name>. You may omit the leading "supybot." in the name if you so choose.
Nov 11 19:44:55 <xley>	perhaps because there is no suitable componet
Nov 11 19:45:01 <diwaker>	forrestbot: Config ChannelLogger.flushImmediately True
Nov 11 19:45:01 <forrestbot>	diwaker: Error: 'supybot.ChannelLogger.flushImmediately' is not a valid configuration variable.
Nov 11 19:45:02 <twilliams>	but it happens a lot... i cleared 20+ issues from "No Component" today
Nov 11 19:45:23 <diwaker>	forrestbot: Config supybot.plugins.ChannelLogger.flushImmediately True
Nov 11 19:45:23 <forrestbot>	diwaker: The operation succeeded.
Nov 11 19:45:25 <twilliams>	so that means either it's "Unknown" or "Other", right?
Nov 11 19:45:47 <twilliams>	ok diwaker, play time's over;)  
Nov 11 19:46:06 <diwaker>	i know i know. i'm almost done.
Nov 11 19:46:07 <diwaker>	:)
Nov 11 19:46:08 <xley>	I will look at Jira Admin, otherwise might need to go to their help
Nov 11 19:46:54 <twilliams>	i poked around today after clearing those issues and didn't see anything  -- not sure if there's another level of admin or not
Nov 11 19:48:06 <twilliams>	btw. i think my lm commit for locationmap caching isn't helping the memory issue that you just commented on
Nov 11 19:48:31 <twilliams>	i think i'll change that one
Nov 11 19:48:35 <xley>	pity
Nov 11 19:52:42 <xley>	Re: level of Jira Admin, yes there is another level.
Nov 11 19:59:17 <xley>	mmm, had a look but can't see anything about default component
Nov 11 20:04:41 <twilliams>	can you build site-author right now?  it fails on me
Nov 11 20:05:39 <xley>	will try and report back
Nov 11 20:17:57 <twilliams>	looking for xdocs\dtdx\your-project.xml
Nov 11 20:18:52 <xley>	woops forgot to report back ...
Nov 11 20:19:25 <xley>	it builds okay and there is that problem that you mention.
Nov 11 20:19:57 <xley>	Yeah, i have described that one recently one the dev list, i will try to find a workaround.
Nov 11 20:20:38 <twilliams>	i've been pretty slack on following things lately... been traveling for the last few months and the next few too
Nov 11 20:21:03 <twilliams>	fortunatley one of the reasons I'm traveling coming up will be ApacheCon
Nov 11 20:21:27 <xley>	great, enjoy it
Nov 11 20:22:31 <xley>	don't forget to sign up for the committers hackathon
Nov 11 20:23:08 <twilliams>	was thinking about it but dont' recognize any of the folks on there an don't know that I can contribute beyond forrest
Nov 11 20:23:47 <xley>	no you must ... definitely go
Nov 11 20:24:19 <xley>	it is fantastic just talking to others
Nov 11 20:25:04 <xley>	anyway, people know you already. Other people read our mailing lists .
Nov 11 20:25:10 <twilliams>	ok, but if i'm the moron of the group, i'll blame it on you
Nov 11 20:25:24 <xley>	i am safe
Nov 11 20:28:42 <twilliams>	do you have a way to do profiling for memory?
Nov 11 20:29:09 <xley>	No.
Nov 11 20:29:12 <diwaker>	such a shame time
Nov 11 20:29:16 <diwaker>	*such a shame tim
Nov 11 20:29:22 <diwaker>	i won't be here at the time of apachecon
Nov 11 20:29:24 <diwaker>	or we could have met
Nov 11 20:30:06 <xley>	twilliams: follow some of Ron's threads on dev
Nov 11 20:30:10 <twilliams>	go figure... i would pick the apachecon that nobodys gong to
Nov 11 20:31:41 <xley>	yeah, two ago i was the only Forrest person
Nov 11 20:32:00 <xley>	last one in EU there were heaps
Nov 11 20:32:20 <xley>	but Ferdinand will be at San Diego
Nov 11 20:32:47 <twilliams>	yeap, that last one was what prompted me to pursue this one -- felt i missed out 
Nov 11 20:32:50 <diwaker>	david, tim: i just checked in a bunch of things
Nov 11 20:32:53 <diwaker>	that should close FOR-697
Nov 11 20:33:03 <diwaker>	i've tested with "forrest seed" and "forrest seed-v2"
Nov 11 20:33:07 <diwaker>	can you guys please update and check
Nov 11 20:34:21 <xley>	it will still be great ... there will be kinfolk with the Cocoon people.
Nov 11 20:35:06 <xley>	everyone is kin really :-) sounds soppy doesn't it.
Nov 11 20:35:47 <twilliams>	yeah, i've signed up for a cocoon tutorial;)
Nov 11 20:36:59 <xley>	diwaker: i am going out for a walk then quick dinner, will try when i return.
Nov 11 20:37:16 <diwaker>	xley: sure, thats fine. i shud be up till then :)
Nov 11 20:38:54 <twilliams>	diwaker: what exactly am i trying?
Nov 11 20:39:17 <diwaker>	twilliams: svn up; forrest seed; forrest run; forrest seed-v2; forrest run;
Nov 11 20:39:30 <diwaker>	just tell me if it looks fine
Nov 11 20:39:52 <diwaker>	trying to close http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FOR-697
Nov 11 20:46:37 <twilliams>	the first looks good
Nov 11 20:46:59 <twilliams>	seed-v2 i get "could not find variable with the name of root"
Nov 11 20:47:19 <twilliams>	don't know if that's something i've done ornot
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Nov 11 20:54:52 <diwaker>	hmm, i was getting that at one point but then it disappeared
Nov 11 20:55:00 <diwaker>	make sure you run etc/structurer.sh first
Nov 11 21:23:25 <diwaker>	any luck?
Nov 11 21:23:35 *	diwaker is away: sleep
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Nov 11 21:54:00 <diwaker>	anyone still around?
Nov 11 22:07:18 <pbo1>	I'm sort of in and out, er, on two machines.
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Nov 11 22:07:29 <pbo1>	that
Nov 11 22:08:17 <xley>	yeah, i am just back
Nov 11 22:08:21 <diwaker>	ok cool
Nov 11 22:08:26 <diwaker>	i'm just planning to tuck in
Nov 11 22:08:33 <diwaker>	was hoping someone could test the changes
Nov 11 22:08:36 <diwaker>	so that i can close the issue on JIRA
Nov 11 22:08:44 <xley>	i will do that now.
Nov 11 22:08:55 <xley>	see you tomorrow maybe
Nov 11 22:10:22 <diwaker>	definitely
Nov 11 22:13:49 <xley>	by the way, don't forget that our zone is doing a continuous test of the trunk
Nov 11 22:14:24 <xley>	anyway, i just did 'build test' and it worked. Will do the other tests that you suggested.
Nov 11 22:19:22 <xley>	yes the various 'forrest run' worked okay.
Nov 11 22:24:33 <xley>	so yes, your FOR-697 seems fine.
Nov 11 22:25:59 <xley>	By the way, another issue: The fonts look terrible at http://forrest.zones.apache.org/ft/build/forrest-sample-2/
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Nov 11 22:37:04 <rgardler>	Hi folk, do we have a log up anywahere so I can catch up?
Nov 11 22:37:45 <xley>	Just sent it to dev ...
Nov 11 22:37:56 <rgardler>	Great, thanks
Nov 11 22:38:04 <xley>	http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/forrest/events/forrest-friday/20051111-log.txt
Nov 11 22:38:48 <xley>	not automatic log though, JennyCurran is asleep
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Nov 11 22:48:35 <tscherler>	hi all
Nov 11 22:48:36 <rgardler>	OK, I read the logs. See that Tim wants to discuss locationmap stuff, so when he returns and reads this ask away.
Nov 11 22:49:11 <rgardler>	Hi Thorsten - up to date logs at http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/forrest/events/forrest-friday/20051111-log.txt (courtesy of David)
Nov 11 22:49:30 <xley>	ot automatic log though, JennyCurran is asleep
Nov 11 22:49:48 <tscherler>	cheers
Nov 11 22:50:12 <rgardler>	I've got some stuff to do on the Cocoon docs right now, but I'm around. will be working on locationmap stuf after that - holler if anyone wants to help
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Nov 11 23:14:26 ---	tscherler has changed the topic to: finish locationmap, clean up and prioritise Jira, xhtml2, v2 howTos
Nov 11 23:17:03 <rgardler>	Hi Gav, good to see you
Nov 11 23:17:28 <rgardler>	ALmost up to date logs are at 	http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/forrest/events/forrest-friday/20051111-log.txt couretesy of a hard working David, not automated at present)
Nov 11 23:20:23 <_Gav_>	Hi Guys, just finished reading back
Nov 11 23:20:54 <xley>	Hi Gavin, glad you could make it.
Nov 11 23:21:26 <_Gav_>	Been a busy day, hows things
Nov 11 23:24:10 <xley>	fine, not seem to have got much done yet. I am going through each plugin making sure that they use the locationmap. FOR-200, FOR-726
Nov 11 23:25:31 <_Gav_>	I have had a wee forced break from Forrest due to lots of computer work came in, so that problem I was working on
Nov 11 23:25:49 <_Gav_>	re: incorrect nesting still is not sorted
Nov 11 23:26:07 <_Gav_>	but nit something for today though is it
Nov 11 23:26:19 <_Gav_>	not , I dont have nits :)
Nov 11 23:26:53 <_Gav_>	So what shall I look at that I might be able to do?
Nov 11 23:27:31 <xley>	do whatever you want, but the locationmap stuff like we were doing last time seems to work well as a group effort
Nov 11 23:28:25 <rgardler>	Yeah, Gav, your help on the locationmap last time was invaluable, there are still all the plugins to do as David points ou
Nov 11 23:28:28 <rgardler>	 the resources XMap is still in the same state that it was last time
Nov 11 23:28:35 <rgardler>	i.e. rounded courners are not working
Nov 11 23:28:48 <rgardler>	there is a diff on the relevant task with the current state of play
Nov 11 23:29:00 <tscherler>	(12:28:46) rgardler: i.e. rounded courners are not working -> where?
Nov 11 23:29:01 <rgardler>	Take your pick (or do something else that takes you fancy)
Nov 11 23:29:20 <_Gav_>	ok, I'll check them out , thanks.
Nov 11 23:29:53 <rgardler>	Thorsten -> when using the locationmap version of resources.xmap
Nov 11 23:30:28 <tscherler>	the one you check in to jira?
Nov 11 23:30:32 <rgardler>	Yes
Nov 11 23:30:43 <tscherler>	Hmm
Nov 11 23:31:07 <rgardler>	Gav -> if you start a task please assign it to yourself in Jira as I will be working on LM stuff in about half an hour
Nov 11 23:31:23 <tscherler>	are not generated nor linked?
Nov 11 23:31:47 <xley>	Gav, i am working backwards through plugins, done output.pdf and output.Text so far.
Nov 11 23:32:10 <rgardler>	I've not really looked into the problem, it was 6am for me on the last FT when we stopped working on it
Nov 11 23:32:27 <_Gav_>	ok, will do and let you know here once I pick something
Nov 11 23:32:32 <rgardler>	They *should* work, but don't
Nov 11 23:32:48 <xley>	These are easy, if you want to work forwards and move up to the more difficult resources.xmap etc.
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Nov 12 01:40:35 <_Gav_>	Xley : I take it you have not commited output.Text etc, what did you change -->
Nov 12 01:40:40 <_Gav_>	        <map:transform src="resources/stylesheets/txt/document2txt.xsl"
Nov 12 01:41:07 <_Gav_>	into and did you rename document2text into document-to-text
Nov 12 01:42:30 <_Gav_>	just as a comparison, I cant remember what I did, will start on input.dtdx
Nov 12 01:42:55 <rgardler>	All *2*.xsl stylsesheets have been renamed *-to-*.xsl (see FOR-697), so...
Nov 12 01:42:59 <xley>	i haven't been bothering with those simple local filenames, just doing the stuff in that refers to main/webapp/resources/stylesheets/
Nov 12 01:43:32 <_Gav_>	ok
Nov 12 01:43:40 <xley>	i have now done all the plugins except the IMSManifest doing now
Nov 12 01:43:49 <rgardler>	With respect to local resources, they should still be exposed by the LM because
Nov 12 01:43:59 <rgardler>	they are then available to other plugins
Nov 12 01:44:01 <_Gav_>	oops, too late then
Nov 12 01:44:08 <rgardler>	This is the start of allowing plugins to be dependant
Nov 12 01:44:19 <xley>	aha
Nov 12 01:44:20 <rgardler>	Each plugin can now provide a locaitonmap of its own
Nov 12 01:44:40 <rgardler>	(not important for this first pass though)
Nov 12 01:45:17 <xley>	that is how i have been seeing it ... two passes
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Nov 12 01:46:22 <xley>	thanks for clarifying, will go back and do that sometime
Nov 12 01:47:21 <xley>	By the way, the IMSManifest plugin was broken when i started, still broken
Nov 12 01:47:51 <rgardler>	While you folk are reading IRC, can I ask you to SVN up and test the new resources.xmap - this is a big change with lots of potential pitfalls
Nov 12 01:47:57 <rgardler>	(no urgency)
Nov 12 01:51:00 <xley>	So Gav, if you want to do as you suggested, "document2text into document-to-text" etc and add to locationmaps then go right ahead.
Nov 12 01:51:27 <_Gav_>	ok, start at the top
Nov 12 01:52:00 <xley>	okay
Nov 12 01:52:42 <_Gav_>	what does IMSManifest do
Nov 12 01:53:57 <xley>	http://forrest.apache.org/pluginDocs/plugins_0_70/index.html
Nov 12 01:58:39 <_Gav_>	thanks, I spotted wiki stuff in there so was curious
Nov 12 02:00:00 <xley>	yes, i have been noticing some odd stuff in some of the plugin sitemaps, need a spring clean
Nov 12 02:01:03 <rgardler>	I'll "spring clean" the IMSManifest sitemap now since I wrote that one
Nov 12 02:01:41 <xley>	great, perhaps you can decipher the current error.
Nov 12 02:01:58 <rgardler>	I'll take a look
Nov 12 02:02:11 <xley>	i just now committed the changes, to no avail
Nov 12 02:02:25 <rgardler>	OK, thanks, I'll SVN up
Nov 12 02:03:22 <xley>	me too, will get your resources.xmap changes
Nov 12 02:03:57 <_Gav_>	<broken-links>
Nov 12 02:03:58 <_Gav_>	  <link message="ElemTemplateElement error: getHead" uri="linkmap.html">
Nov 12 02:03:58 <_Gav_>	  </link>
Nov 12 02:03:58 <_Gav_>	</broken-links
Nov 12 02:04:29 <_Gav_>	from an ant test in output.themer
Nov 12 02:05:27 <rgardler>	The wiki stuff in the IMSManifest is an old way of integrating content from multiple sources.
Nov 12 02:05:39 <rgardler>	It should be deprecated now that we have the locationmap
Nov 12 02:05:57 <rgardler>	I'm going to propose this IMSManifest moves to whiteboard (onlist)
Nov 12 02:06:36 <rgardler>	Gav: take that one to the list there are no views people here right now
Nov 12 02:07:04 <_Gav_>	ok
Nov 12 02:11:29 <_Gav_>	after svn up, forrest clean, build, forrest run has initialisation problem, no details
Nov 12 02:12:55 <xley>	all okay for me
Nov 12 02:14:05 <xley>	you say "forrest clean" but don't you mean "build clean"
Nov 12 02:14:55 <rgardler>	OK for me too
Nov 12 02:15:17 <rgardler>	However, I do not that the check to see if a forrest site exists on "forrest run" no longer works
Nov 12 02:15:34 <rgardler>	this results in an incorrect startup if you start in the wrong directory
Nov 12 02:15:49 <xley>	that has long been a problem
Nov 12 02:16:07 <rgardler>	Must be a long time since I made that mistake then ;-)
Nov 12 02:16:08 <xley>	with 'forrest' too
Nov 12 02:16:20 <xley>	it should fail earlier
Nov 12 02:16:28 <rgardler>	There is some code to check for this, I remember it as it was my first contribution many years ago :-))
Nov 12 02:16:40 <rgardler>	I'll raise an issue and look into it when I get chance
Nov 12 02:17:15 <xley>	it sometime leaves two turds behind; a build directory and a work directory.
Nov 12 02:18:37 <xley>	i am wondering how to check that your resources.xmap changes for locationmap are okay ..
Nov 12 02:19:02 <xley>	suppose that the builds of samples on forrrestbot is one way
Nov 12 02:19:25 <rgardler>	I had the same problem, with the corner images problem no build error was reported...
Nov 12 02:19:34 <rgardler>	it was yourself and Tim spotted they were missing with a visual check
Nov 12 02:19:43 <xley>	the round corners look okay, but there were other changes
Nov 12 02:20:04 <rgardler>	Perhaps I should post a request for people to test on the list?
Nov 12 02:20:13 <xley>	yes we do need visual checks
Nov 12 02:20:19 <xley>	yes god idea
Nov 12 02:20:21 <rgardler>	I'll post to list now
Nov 12 02:20:22 <xley>	good
Nov 12 02:20:56 <xley>	browse the samples, look for missing images
Nov 12 02:26:56 <_Gav_>	wierd, forrest run wont work for me in main or build, but fine is template-sites/basic/ -complete with round corners
Nov 12 02:28:17 <xley>	don't know what you mean by "in main or build"
Nov 12 02:29:51 <_Gav_>	sorry, did a forrest run from /main/build/ after a build, thought that worked before
Nov 12 02:30:34 <xley>	wow, i have never tried that.
Nov 12 02:30:53 <_Gav_>	just realised, 1:30 am in xley household!
Nov 12 02:30:56 <xley>	why would one do that.
Nov 12 02:31:02 <xley>	yeah
Nov 12 02:31:28 <xley>	i should get a nightcap
Nov 12 02:32:03 <_Gav_>	no idea, just a test really, tried it when I first joined forrest
Nov 12 02:32:30 <_Gav_>	a wee dram should do it
Nov 12 02:37:49 <xley>	it sounds dangerous
Nov 12 02:38:08 <xley>	the 'forrest run' in that place i mean, nor the dram
Nov 12 02:38:24 <xley>	not the dram
Nov 12 02:38:32 <_Gav_>	wont try it again then
Nov 12 02:38:51 <_Gav_>	but Glenfiddich should be fine
Nov 12 02:41:36 <xley>	sweet sherry
Nov 12 02:45:07 <rgardler>	I gotta be with Gav on that one, but something a bit peatier for me, say a Jura
Nov 12 02:45:16 <rgardler>	Still, at 1.30 - you gotta have something
Nov 12 02:45:23 <xley>	:-)
Nov 12 02:45:43 <xley>	and we suddenly have a bug to deal with, see the dev list 
Nov 12 02:46:01 <xley>	forrestbot will fires soon and report errors
Nov 12 02:46:01 <forrestbot>	xley: Error: "will" is not a valid command.
Nov 12 02:46:38 <xley>	ha, ha, that is diwakers test logger talking to me
Nov 12 02:47:13 <xley>	he called it "forrestbot"
Nov 12 02:49:25 <rgardler>	I see the error, thanks David - I'll have a look
Nov 12 02:50:57 <xley>	who could beat cheche's superb name choice: JennyCurran
Nov 12 03:28:45 <xley2>	rgardler: see cocoon-dev email, had to clean out forrestbot build dir for cocoon-docs
Nov 12 03:31:45 <rgardler>	Yes, saw that - thanks for doing that - should the forrestbot do a clean build each time?
Nov 12 04:13:43 *	diwaker is back.
Nov 12 04:13:46 <diwaker>	hey ross
Nov 12 04:13:50 <diwaker>	hi thorsten
Nov 12 04:13:51 <diwaker>	whats up
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Nov 12 04:20:52 <tscherler>	yeah
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Nov 12 04:22:29 <diwaker>	hi thorsten
Nov 12 04:22:30 <diwaker>	whats up
Nov 12 04:22:44 <tscherler>	writing howtos ;-)
Nov 12 04:22:49 <tscherler>	v2
Nov 12 04:24:31 <diwaker>	nice
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Nov 12 05:38:05 <target>	hi all
Nov 12 05:38:23 <target>	I get 
Nov 12 05:38:25 <target>	Internal Server ErrorMessage: nullDescription: No details available.Sender: org.apache.cocoon.servlet.CocoonServletSource: Cocoon ServletRequest URIcauseUnknown select node child:mountrequest-uri/
Nov 12 05:38:45 <target>	since last update (2sec ago)
Nov 12 05:38:55 <target>	somebody knows 
Nov 12 05:39:10 <target>	I am using the v2 template-seed directly
Nov 12 05:40:54 <target>	ERROR   (2005-11-11) 18:40.33:579   [core.modules.mapper.lm] (/favicon.ico) PoolThread-4/LocationMapModule: Failure processing LocationMap.
Nov 12 05:40:54 <target>	java.lang.NullPointerException
Nov 12 05:40:54 <target>	        at org.apache.forrest.locationmap.lm.LocatorNode.locate(LocatorNode.java:117)
Nov 12 05:42:46 <target>	v2 is not using the favicon.ico
Nov 12 05:43:14 <target>	so why got it requested
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Nov 12 06:06:46 <tscherler>	  Toc and title are not resolved anymore since
Nov 12 06:07:08 <tscherler>	http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs?rev=332487&view=rev
Nov 12 06:07:38 <tscherler>	the files are in the directory but are not matched
Nov 12 06:07:41 <tscherler>	¿?
Nov 12 06:12:45 <tscherler>	I am going home cu
Nov 12 06:12:48 <tscherler>	/q
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Nov 12 06:34:58 <diwaker>	i'll leave the bot running and logs collecting
Nov 12 06:34:59 <diwaker>	for later
Nov 12 09:59:26 <xley>	good morning, i will be back after breakfast
Nov 12 09:59:59 <rgardler>	Good morning David, not sure how long I am around now - got an early start wih my son tomorrow
Nov 12 10:00:23 <xley>	hi Ross, how long?
Nov 12 10:00:46 <rgardler>	At least an hour
Nov 12 10:01:13 <xley>	okay, back after porridge.
Nov 12 10:01:29 <rgardler>	Hey, you spelt it right :-)
Nov 12 10:27:39 <xley>	backreading was easy, not much chat, but i see from svn logs that you been busy Ross
Nov 12 10:28:15 <rgardler>	Yeah, I took our discussion about how best to use FT/FF to heart and just got on with it ;-)
Nov 12 10:28:31 <xley>	i think so too ...
Nov 12 10:29:01 <xley>	perhaps let each other know what we are up to from time-to-time
Nov 12 10:29:14 <rgardler>	Sure...
Nov 12 10:29:34 <rgardler>	I just posted an important comment to FOR726 (plugins use locationmap) - please check it out
Nov 12 10:30:10 <xley>	looking.
Nov 12 10:30:35 <rgardler>	I've been working from the top of my plugins directory listing downwards, just done OOo and starting PhotoGallery
Nov 12 10:31:14 <xley>	okay i will work backwards
Nov 12 10:32:08 <xley>	re: FOR-726 note, yes i made the same pencil note when reading svn logs this morning.
Nov 12 10:32:34 <rgardler>	I think we need to wrtite a release process for this
Nov 12 10:35:25 <xley>	Do we need to make every resource in the plugins use the locationmap
Nov 12 10:35:26 <xley>	or just the ones that will obviously be used from outside?
Nov 12 10:35:26 <xley>	I wonder if it is inefficient to make absolutely everything
Nov 12 10:35:26 <xley>	use the locationmap.
Nov 12 10:35:57 <rgardler>	I've not really considered this to be honest...
Nov 12 10:36:16 <rgardler>	you are right it does introduce a bottleneck
Nov 12 10:36:50 <rgardler>	Perhaps we should just do the obvjously useful as you suggest
Nov 12 10:37:11 <xley>	later we can do the rest
Nov 12 10:37:24 <rgardler>	+1 - I'll start doing that from now on
Nov 12 10:37:43 <xley>	the trouble with leaving some out is inconsistency ...
Nov 12 10:38:18 <xley>	people might expect the same naming convention.
Nov 12 10:38:26 <xley>	...
Nov 12 10:38:51 <xley>	i suppose that improved error handling for locationmap will assist.
Nov 12 10:39:38 <rgardler>	error handling is the biggest problem at present, it is hard to debug locationmaps :-(
Nov 12 10:39:56 <xley>	very.
Nov 12 10:40:01 <rgardler>	keeping the local resources our of the LM actually makes it easier to build the LM
Nov 12 10:40:46 <rgardler>	We can discuss the naming convention onlist (consistency is good from an ease of developer perspective)
Nov 12 11:00:41 <xley>	So Ross, regarding cocoon-docs, i think that we are saying no chance yetto add the Changes processing, because Daisy plugin intercepts everything. Is that right?
Nov 12 11:02:35 <rgardler>	As it stands right at this minute yes, but let me commit the simplified-docbook plugin, get a whiskey and I will contemplate it, more to come...
Nov 12 11:04:18 <xley>	Otherwise, i will try to get the cocoon-site build to generate it into the 2.1 directory. Better for the website, but still doesn't get it into cocoon-docs.zip
Nov 12 11:04:45 <rgardler>	I think there should be a way to work around it...
Nov 12 11:05:12 <rgardler>	previous to the insistence on sticking with the same url space I used *.daisy.html to indicate daisy docs
Nov 12 11:05:14 <xley>	Mmm, i had better get some Saturday morning medicine then, and join you.
Nov 12 11:05:21 <rgardler>	that way we just had *.html for other docs
Nov 12 11:05:35 <rgardler>	I think the answer will be something like only matching 2.1/* docs
Nov 12 11:06:04 <xley>	hope that it is that easy.
Nov 12 11:06:30 <rgardler>	I don't think so, that's why I'll need the whiskey ;-)
Nov 12 11:24:22 <rgardler>	My experiments have not been encouraging...
Nov 12 11:24:57 <rgardler>	The problem is that Daisy returns a document even if it down't exist (i.e. it doesn't give a 404, it gives an XML error document)
Nov 12 11:25:02 <rgardler>	(stupid design!)
Nov 12 11:25:10 <rgardler>	Anyway...
Nov 12 11:25:25 <rgardler>	This means we can't use a selector, since a document s returned
Nov 12 11:25:28 <rgardler>	so...
Nov 12 11:26:31 <rgardler>	The answer is to create special matchers in the daisy-to-docs module
Nov 12 11:26:45 <rgardler>	rather than do the 2.1/** one
Nov 12 11:27:02 <rgardler>	we should do changes.html etc
Nov 12 11:27:06 <rgardler>	what do you think?
Nov 12 11:28:09 <xley>	Yes, i was wondering about that too ...
Nov 12 11:29:21 <xley>	but didn't/don't know how to effect that. The projectInfo plugin needs to match on "changes" and "todo".
Nov 12 11:29:45 <rgardler>	yes, thinking about it there will be multiple matches for none 2.1 daisy docs...
Nov 12 11:30:00 <rgardler>	it will be easier to do it the way I first suggested (2.1/*) - experimenting...
Nov 12 11:37:51 <xley>	ross, see forrest-user list reply.
Nov 12 11:38:14 <xley>	is this our plugin version numbering inconsistencies?
Nov 12 11:38:44 <rgardler>	Could well be, good thought
Nov 12 11:38:56 <rgardler>	I'll respond onlist
Nov 12 11:39:26 <xley>	i did deploy some last night, how will we fix that?
Nov 12 11:41:52 <rgardler>	if the version number of the plugin was updated then there is no problem
Nov 12 11:42:06 <rgardler>	we just need to tell users to specificy a specific version number (as with daisy)
Nov 12 11:42:15 <rgardler>	however, if it wasn't updated
Nov 12 11:42:21 <xley>	it probably wasn't, i will go find which ones that i deployed.
Nov 12 11:42:44 <rgardler>	we will need to CO the plugin prior to the revision
Nov 12 11:42:47 <rgardler>	deploy it
Nov 12 11:42:52 <rgardler>	co head
Nov 12 11:43:02 <rgardler>	update version number
Nov 12 11:43:13 <rgardler>	wait for a coordinated release of all plugins post locationmap
Nov 12 11:43:52 <xley>	okay, i will attend to that. Grrr, i should have known.
Nov 12 11:44:13 <rgardler>	I very nearly did the same thing, just managed to CTRL-C in time
Nov 12 11:44:37 <rgardler>	howverm there are lots of inconsitensies in my build.xml files and status.xml files now :-(
Nov 12 11:45:31 <xley>	does 'svn cleanup' help?
Nov 12 11:46:14 <rgardler>	I don't think so, I've only ever used that to solve the "repository is locked" errror, what else does it do?
Nov 12 11:46:31 <xley>	not sure
Nov 12 11:46:43 <rgardler>	:-) - you have the same style as me ;-)
Nov 12 11:50:30 <rgardler>	where is status.xml for the 2.1 docs?
Nov 12 11:50:41 <rgardler>	(I'm having some success :-)
Nov 12 11:51:02 <xley>	...
Nov 12 11:51:23 <xley>	http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/cocoon/branches/BRANCH_2_1_X/status.xml
Nov 12 11:51:27 <rgardler>	thanks
Nov 12 11:52:04 <xley>	there is a locationmap in http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/cocoon/site/src/documentation/content/locationmap.xml
Nov 12 11:52:32 <xley>	temporary ... workaround option c)
Nov 12 11:57:36 <rgardler>	the good news is that I have changes.xml (etc.) working in the 2.1 docs...
Nov 12 11:57:48 <rgardler>	The problem is that it breaks the daisy plugin...
Nov 12 11:58:02 <rgardler>	but not for the cocoon-docs
Nov 12 11:58:07 <xley>	hooray; oh dear
Nov 12 11:58:13 <rgardler>	I can fix the daisy plugin, but I must go to bed
Nov 12 11:58:23 <rgardler>	I'll send you a mail tellin gyou how to get it working
Nov 12 11:58:40 <rgardler>	you can do what you need to do and we';ll coordinate again later
Nov 12 11:59:16 <xley>	good night, i will pop back in from time-to-time ... out to the sunny garden soon.
Nov 12 11:59:54 <rgardler>	I'll send that mail now, small changes, if you can get it working before I go to bed then I can sleep soundly ;-)
Nov 12 12:04:12 <xley>	regarding that issue with the deployment of plugins and version numbers: This shows that we need to add some forrestbot builds for the release branch ... continuous integration.
Nov 12 12:04:25 <rgardler>	+1
Nov 12 12:09:07 <rgardler>	I sent the mail on how to get cocoon-docs working with changes.xml...
Nov 12 12:09:21 <xley>	thanks
Nov 12 12:09:28 <rgardler>	going to get ready for bed, have a read and let me know if you understand
Nov 12 12:09:43 <rgardler>	will chack back in 10 mnutes
Nov 12 12:19:07 <rgardler>	Does it make sense for you David?
Nov 12 12:20:01 <xley>	the first part yes, not sure that i understand the [1] note about locationmap yet.
Nov 12 12:21:10 <xley>	don't worry, i will try it (not yet looked into navigation-to-locationmap.xsl)
Nov 12 12:21:29 <xley>	another quick question before you go ...
Nov 12 12:21:40 <rgardler>	I think you will be OK with it, it's farly simple
Nov 12 12:21:45 <rgardler>	GO ahead with your qquestion
Nov 12 12:21:47 <xley>	What is performance like for you with the cocoon-daisy-to-docs build?
Nov 12 12:21:47 <xley>	For me, it takes ages to start (presumably building the navigation),
Nov 12 12:21:47 <xley>	then takes about 45 seconds per document. Whereas on the zone
Nov 12 12:21:47 <xley>	it takes 1.5 seconds per document.
Nov 12 12:22:25 <rgardler>	Performance locally is awful, similar to what you experience
Nov 12 12:22:37 <rgardler>	I think there is a massive amount of network traffic
Nov 12 12:22:56 <rgardler>	on the zones it is al within the local netowrk so very fast
Nov 12 12:22:57 <xley>	i wondered that too ...
Nov 12 12:23:18 <xley>	and ... yes local to zones.
Nov 12 12:23:59 <rgardler>	I've not done any optimisation of the daisy plugin yet
Nov 12 12:24:08 <xley>	i exaggerated ... 30 seconds per doc.
Nov 12 12:24:15 <xley>	erk.
Nov 12 12:24:18 <rgardler>	my plan is to have a daisy generator that only requests head most of the time
Nov 12 12:24:28 <xley>	aha.
Nov 12 12:24:58 <xley>	okay, sweet dreams.
Nov 12 12:25:33 <rgardler>	Enjoy your day in the sun, winter has truly arrived here :-(
Nov 12 12:25:37 <rgardler>	good night
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Nov 12 12:26:11 <xley>	thanks goodness that we have the project:start-uri parameter in forrest.properties (project:start-uri=changes.html)
Nov 12 12:26:25 <xley>	builds that doc first.
Nov 12 12:26:31 <xley>	good night.
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Nov 12 13:55:02 <diwaker>	is anyone around?
Nov 12 14:01:31 <xley>	not really, i am trying to fix the problem referred to on the user list.
Nov 12 14:02:20 <xley>	then get out in the sunlight for a while.
Nov 12 14:17:39 <diwaker>	ok
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