XHTML 2 Template Page

*** Logfile started *** on Mon Sep 5 23:14:34 2005 [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:14:34] Join You have joined channel #for-s. (n=diwaker@67.188.127.45) [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:14:34] Topic The channel topic is "ForrestTuesday: XHTML2 core and Jira cleanup". [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:14:34] Topic Topic was set by xley on 09/05/2005 10:53:08 PM. [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:14:34] Names End of NAMES list. [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:14:34] Mode Channel modes: secret, no messages from outside [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:14:34] Created This channel was created on 09/05/2005 10:46:53 PM. [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:14:40] hey david [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:14:45] looks like i'm the first one :-) [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:14:54] hi Diwaker, you are [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:15:32] btw, your mail said irc.freenode.net; i had trouble connecting. i usually connect to irc.freenode.org [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:16:26] Mmmm, i connected no trouble form two separate clients. Dunno. [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:17:06] yeah, no biggie [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:17:30] i'm not going to be around for most of the time though :( but i'll follow the logs later on [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:20:10] how long do you have now, what time is it for you (late at night i suppose) [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:21:05] late afternoon for me [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:21:22] its 11:21pm here (i'm in northern california right now) [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:21:31] i have maybe 2 hrs at most right now [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:21:58] and maybe a couple of hours at the end of the 24 hr slot [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:22:05] Join rgardler has joined this channel. (n=rgardler@ip-213-92-134-135.aramiska-arc.aramiska.net) [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:22:20] hey ross! [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:22:24] Hurray, I made it in (never used IRC before!) [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:22:34] hi ross [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:22:49] Hello all, I may come and go I'm on a dodgey wireless connection [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:23:08] i am reasonably new to IRC too [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:23:25] How do I catch up (see logs)? [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:23:49] Diwaker an i didn't talk about anything of note yet [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:24:21] yeah, i walked in like 10 min back [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:24:48] i am capturing log and will upload to our "events" SVN from time-to-time [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:25:05] OK. I'm only here for about 40 mins, so I'm going to skip the pleasantries and get on with some work [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:25:20] i'm not an IRC expert, but AFAIK you can't go back and look at the logs from your IRC client [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:25:39] yes, if your connection stays up [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:26:38] I thought I would create the internal view plugin and we could start of by doing a simple XHTML2 to HTML conversion using Gavs XHTML2 page. In the meantime we need to think about what the full processing pipeline will look like [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:29:13] okay, good first step. I am re-reading your mail yesterday about whether branch or not. [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:29:45] OK, I'm proceeding, but I will not commit until I get feedback from you and diwaker [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:31:51] sounds good. if you don't actively hear from me, assume lazy concensus. [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:31:52] Join x-targe1 has joined this channel. (n=thorsten@d83-180-131-226.cust.tele2.es) [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:32:07] Nick x-targe1 is now known as thorste1. [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:32:12] hey thorsten [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:32:26] Nick thorste1 is now known as thorstenS. [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:32:31] hi diwaker [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:32:32] :) [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:32:38] nice meeting you [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:32:43] So ross, how will we give feedback [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:32:47] what is it [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:32:53] hey all [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:33:05] thorstenS: hi, you haven't missed anything [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:33:16] jeje [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:33:39] ross is just getting started on an internal view plugin: "I thought I would create the internal view plugin and we could start of by doing a simple XHTML2 to HTML conversion using Gavs XHTML2 page. In the meantime we need to think about what the full processing pipeline will look like" [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:33:58] Welcome Thorsten. [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:34:10] hi ross [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:34:40] the only bummer is that I need to go to work :( [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:34:49] IAs diwaker said, I'm creating a new plugin as discussed. David is thinking about if it is the right approach, so I'm waiting for feedback on that. [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:35:10] David - if it is "Go for it" do it here, if it is a discussion I suppose mail is better [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:35:29] Thorsten - before you go to work can you upload your partially refactored sitemaps for views to an issue for us [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:35:30] thorstenS: can you pop in later [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:35:48] sure [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:35:57] i will be online all day [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:36:22] but cannot work 100% on forrest at working hours [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:36:33] diwaker btw [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:36:41] that is good as gold :) [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:36:44] cheers [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:37:04] i meant after work. I hope to stay up late tonight - it is late afternoon here now. [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:37:17] just trying to learn by example :-) [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:37:27] jeje [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:37:35] xley of course [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:37:46] ross +1 for the plugin [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:38:01] I have some code that needs to go in there [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:38:22] the new view dispatcher based on the lm [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:38:24] ross: we all know that plugins are the way to go, and that starting small is too, so yes. [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:39:17] Perhaps someone can put this first step on the wiki page so newcomers now where we are at. I'll commit the skeleton plugin now [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:41:19] See o.a.f.plugin.internal.xhtml2 (in whiteboard) [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:41:38] ok [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:41:41] svn up [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:41:59] It doesn't do anything yet, it just has Gavs example page in a samples directory. I'm about to add a pipeline and a very basic stylesheet [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:42:22] Ross: you dynamo - creating plugins in between brushing your teeth on the way to work. [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:42:52] :-)) [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:43:23] Join ipv6guru has joined this channel. (n=ipv6guru@203-59-250-35.dyn.iinet.net.au) [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:44:29] Hi Guys, Gavin here just saying hello for the moment and recording this early conversation while at work. [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:44:53] hi gav [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:45:05] hi Gavin welcome, you haven't missed much talk [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:45:48] No problem , all familiar names here I see, nice to talk at last. [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:46:06] Hi Gavin, thanks for your XHTML page, I'm just pressing it into service :-) [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:46:13] Join cheche has joined this channel. (n=cheche@80.174.108.189) [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:46:13] thanks for the xhtml2.xml etc. Good start. [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:46:21] morning! [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:46:29] Hola [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:46:46] Needs more work of course, I'll add the rest later on. [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:46:57] muy buenas cheche [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:46:58] hola xley! [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:47:06] hey thorstenS! [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:47:14] Welcome Cheche (hey I even know what Hola means!) [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:47:41] hello cheche, no idea what Hola means but I could guess [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:47:56] hey ross, I though that the only spanish that you know was " dos cervezas por favor" (two beers please...) [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:48:29] Is there a better place for me to send updated xhtml2.xml file now, rather than my site. [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:48:35] ipv6guru: means hello, but I guess that you knew aswell [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:49:25] we could be working over svn right? [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:49:46] I am going to start the bot program... [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:49:46] Gav: yes, do svn up, you will get a new XHTML2 internal plugin in whiteboard, the file is now in a samples directory in the content (can someone close the issue whie I add this pipeline) [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:50:07] I just need a name for the bot... [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:50:42] ok will do, thanks. [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:51:45] cheche: make one up? [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:52:36] is the bot just for the log? i'll have a full log as well, just in case [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:53:09] rgardler I added a locationmap to the plugin [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:53:14] hola cheche! hey gav [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:53:27] yes, we wanted to make sure we have a reliable log. I have a client log too. [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:53:48] diwaker: apparently yes... [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:53:52] Join forrFerd has joined this channel. (n=forrFerd@a2125962191.net-htp.de) [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:54:14] Hi Diwaker [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:54:44] diwaker: it could be a keeper for the channel.... [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:55:04] Thorsten: thanks, I just discovered the LM was missing and it caused an error - thanks (we need one in the tempalte, anyone care to log an issue for us) [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:55:40] Hola ferdinand (just showing of my new skills, I can't spell the German :-(( [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:55:59] morning everybody. [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:56:10] ross said "in the tempalte" [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:56:14] Guten Tag, or something like that [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:56:16] what do you mean [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:56:18] hey ferdinand; good to see everyone here... feels like a warm coffee shop now :-) [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:56:29] guten morgen [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:56:34] guten morgeb [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:56:38] just read my way into using irc for the first time, so bear with me [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:56:46] Good morning Ferdinand [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:56:48] diwaker was living in germany for while, right? [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:57:07] * thorstenS is walking the dogs [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:57:12] yeah -- 3 months interning at univ. of dortmund [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:57:16] back in a sec [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:57:24] Thorsten: I meant "in the plugin template" [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:57:27] though i just *could not* pick up any german beyond the regular greetings :-( [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:57:30] I am coming from Hamm [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:57:38] 20 Km from dortmund [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:57:55] thorsten: thats cool [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:58:14] ... right next to the big nuclear power plant :-) [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:58:36] jeje yeah [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:58:59] I was born in Dortmund and lived there until I was 12 or so [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:59:06] * thorstenS thinks that explains well the mood swings sometimes ;-) [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:59:07] cheche : Has no-name bot started now [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:59:24] * thorstenS for him [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:59:46] I was looking for a name in the imdb for the forrest gump movie [Mon Sep 5 2005] [23:59:56] ALL: I seem to have broken my Forrest install (was doing some work on integrating blocks yesterday, broken the whole lot now :-( [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:00:02] why is thorsten in italics? radiation slant? [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:00:57] ./me [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:01:05] without the dot [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:01:11] try it ;-) [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:01:24] ./me doing something [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:01:28] cheche: thanks [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:01:35] * thorstenS doing something [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:01:54] .trying italics ... [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:02:04] ./ trying again [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:02:08] All: My intention with the plugin is that we create a simple transformation from XHTML2 -> HTML as a very simple starting point, we can then think about the full processing pipeline. [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:02:35] All: (sorry to not be joining in the pleasantries, I have to leave in a few minutes, I will be more relaxed when I come back) [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:03:33] Join nicolaken has joined this channel. (n=chatzill@host190-154.pool80204.interbusiness.it) [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:03:34] All: I will add a few notes to the wiki page about what *I* thought we would do, this has not been discussed yet, so it is not meant as a set of instructions, just a suggestion [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:03:52] greetings nicola [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:03:55] Hi nicolaken [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:03:57] ciao all [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:04:16] Join JennyCurran has joined this channel. (n=eggdrop@80.174.108.189) [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:04:18] Bon giorno, Nicola [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:04:49] Hi Nicola [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:04:52] I'm at work, so I will not have 100% attention... I may take minutes to respond [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:05:04] How unusual of me ;-P [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:05:15] All: We don't have a wiki page yet, will send a mail to the list [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:05:42] I should be working on my long overdue project so I'll probably just drop in and out for some code-free comments :-) [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:07:40] Good morning, Jenny, are you a regular on the Forrest-dev list? [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:08:12] forrFerd: stop flirking.... she only knows about logging.... [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:08:20] is our secretary to keep notes :-) [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:08:53] I thought IRC was doing that .... [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:08:59] that was funny - ferdinand i almost made the same mistake [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:09:17] cheche :Gary Sinese played Dan Taylor, Tom Hanks played Forrest Gump, dont know the woman lead, dth? [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:09:37] ipv6guru: apparenly was the girlfriend... [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:09:44] http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109830/ [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:11:15] Ah, Jenny , ok my bad. [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:11:17] forrFerd: IRC does not log - your local client can be set to keep a long if you can maintain the connection. Cheche has a logger robot for us. A few of us have local logs too. [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:11:26] I was thinking the other day... [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:11:35] it's taking us too long now to go forward [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:11:43] and I asked myself... why? [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:11:51] We have the locationmap [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:11:53] views [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:11:57] xhtml2 [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:12:14] it seems we don't understand how to fit them all together [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:12:19] conceptually yes, but practically [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:12:24] it's a problem. [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:12:28] So [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:12:40] Since we have legacy stuff lying around [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:12:50] I was thinking of starting a partial rewrite [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:12:59] - calm down, no sweat - [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:13:14] I mean rewriting the pipeline from scratch [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:13:22] bit per bit [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:13:26] by [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:13:44] writing the rules we use as we go along [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:13:56] the WD on our site could be a start [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:14:07] yeah i understood that from your email. that would be good then we can dump the rest with a sitemap cleanup later [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:14:08] that's why we need the xhtml2 document [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:14:19] xley: yup [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:14:26] +1 (see my mail to dev list, just posted) - I have to go out for 6-10 hours - Nicola is clearly thinking the sae way as I am so I'm sure I'll have lots to look at when I come back ;-) [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:14:26] so that we can build on that [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:14:46] ;-) don't swear for it [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:15:24] Do we have a document that explains how we want the directory structure to be? [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:15:34] thanks Ross, i will call in from time-to-time throughout our night. [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:15:35] or prior discussion [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:15:49] See you all soon [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:15:55] bye [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:15:57] seeya ross [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:16:13] Quit rgardler has left this server. () [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:16:49] nicolaken: what directory structure? [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:16:58] yes, that's the question [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:17:00] ;-) [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:17:03] the site [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:17:21] why should it matter? [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:17:24] ya know ye old content/xdocs/etc [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:17:38] because it will be used in the pieline we are going to write [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:17:44] * thorstenS need to go to work now, will be back in ca. 1 hour [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:17:46] are you talking about the simplification that we have talked about so often? [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:17:46] pieline hehehe [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:17:50] yes [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:17:56] nicolaken yes +1 [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:18:05] was thinking of starting a partial rewrite [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:18:11] I thought that was topic for the next tuesday? [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:18:18] anyone has pointers? [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:18:57] you mean to that discussion? [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:19:02] ForrFred: need that for the pipeline [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:19:11] In our case an old fashion skin are build by 4 different view helper [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:19:11] (book2menu.xsl, document2html.xsl, site2xhtml.xsl and tab2menu.xsl). In [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:19:11] this different files we have typically non modularized presentation [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:19:11] formatting logic. [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:19:14] >ForrFred: yes [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:19:43] we need to find a way where we have a certain processing of this 4 stylesheets [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:19:54] I'll check my local archives and report back [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:19:56] but still be able to override parts of it [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:20:36] where book2menu.xsl tells us where we are in the publication context [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:20:57] i will be back in 15 minutes [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:21:12] tab2menu.xsl is dedicated for navigating the site [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:21:29] document2html.xsl is the one we have to start with [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:21:58] that is responsible for the transformation internal Format -> xhtml output [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:22:21] site2xhtml is done by view and can be ignored for now [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:22:22] Diretory cleanup was last discussed in a thread called [RT] Directory structure and configuration [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:22:43] forrFred: could you summarize? [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:23] Here is something that I wrote to summarize the state of things [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:25] Hi Nicola, [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:27] NKB> Yes, I'm the initial author of that task :-) [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:28] So is it agreed to implement the new structure like this: [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:30] > my-project/ [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:31] > conf/ [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:34] > forrest.properties [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:35] > skinconf.xml [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:36] > site.xml [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:38] > tabs.xml [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:39] > content/ [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:41] > status.xml [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:42] > ** all other content [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:44] This would be a major improvement and simplification. [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:45] And while we are at it, how about renaming 'conf' to 'configuration'. [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:47] Doesn't seem to make a difference performance wise, does it. [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:48] The same could be applied to [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:50] skinfconf.xml => skinconfiguration.xml [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:52] site => sitestructure.xml [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:53] but I'm not sure that this is as easy to implement or up for [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:55] discussion here. [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:56] So when can we expect this to be implemented? [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:23:58] [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:24:00] -- [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:24:02] Ferdinand Soethe [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:24:05] * thorstenS off to work, cu later [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:24:12] Part thorstenS has left this channel. () [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:27:16] msg ForrFerd test [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:29:38] Nicola, is this what you were looking for? [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:30:29] anybody still out there? [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:30:59] Part JennyCurran has left this channel. () [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:31:02] Join JennyCurran has joined this channel. (n=eggdrop@80.174.108.189) [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:31:21] yes [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:31:26] no nicolaken kill them all :-) [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:32:25] How? I don't feel dead yet :-) But Jenny is a bot boaring to chat with ... [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:34:21] cheche: hehehe [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:34:44] forrFred: would you mind putting the above in teh forrest WD document? [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:35:28] forrFred: you are correct, it's not up to discussion now, we will use this and eventually discuss it in a later talk [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:35:53] no, where can I find it, where should I put it? [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:37:13] Part JennyCurran has left this channel. () [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:37:18] Join JennyCurran has joined this channel. (n=eggdrop@80.174.108.189) [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:37:59] forrest\site-author\content\xdocs\TR\2004\WD-forrest10.html [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:38:11] it's in html4 [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:38:13] ok JennyCurran has my email address on the info in case people find her in touble... [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:38:36] nicolaken: I think that we should not tallk too much about desing and big plans... [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:38:54] instead small achivement will make people happy that they did not wasted their time [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:39:06] cheche: agree [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:39:18] nicolaken: nice... [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:39:21] So this would be the proposed structured that I'll put in there, any objections? [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:39:22] my-project/ [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:39:24] configuration/ [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:39:25] forrest.properties [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:39:27] skinconfiguration.xml [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:39:28] sitestructure.xml [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:39:30] tabs.xml [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:39:31] content/ [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:39:33] status.xml [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:39:34] ** all other content [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:39:41] in fact the next thing I intend to do is look at the xhtml2 plugin Ross has, and suggest all to do the same [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:40:01] forrFerd: we can change it later, let's start like this [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:40:11] yeah... the xhtml2 is been a lot way in our todo list.. [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:40:44] forrFerd: I am -0 on that one... [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:41:09] everytime we modify a name it takes a while to update code and after documentation.. [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:43:30] cheche: we are doing a rewrite for xhtml2, we need a new layout... now off to look at the plugin - as soon as I have time - [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:45:12] cheche: i am worried about the disruption too [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:45:30] OK, so I won't put anything in there until ??? [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:45:54] nicolaken: i am still not clear why we need a "new layout". [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:46:28] yes, I have same concerns... why do we need a "new layout"? [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:47:11] 1- because the current one doesn't scale to multisites [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:47:18] 2 - because it's convoluted [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:47:21] forrFerd: using skinconf.xml instead of skinconfiguration.xml is not a need, but if you/everyone feel strong that need to be changed. then... go for it [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:47:37] 3 - becasue we need to know where to get the files without the content/xodcs problems we are having [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:48:05] forrFerd: I had your same itch before but I now are back to small names, they are faster to type [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:48:05] well we agreed long time ago to have a new simplified layout. So I guess the questions is: do we need it for today, right? [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:48:14] i know, but i meant: why now, why needed for today;s xhtml2 work [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:48:21] just write it, it takes less than discussing it [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:48:23] ;-) [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:50:11] nicolaken: With any smart shell (even MS) you have file name completion so extening a name should not really be an issue, is it? [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:51:49] nicolaken: Just to be clear: I won't be writing any code or change stuff like that since I don't feel up to it yet. [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:52:28] So is there agreement that we need to do that changes today? [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:52:48] longer names make it easier to understand for everyone I guess, shortened names less likely to be obvious of their function to users, is this the/a reason [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:55:19] ipv6guru: yes, that was the idea behind it. Moderated by the objection (in an earlier thread) that we cannot change names that make the cocoon people not feel at home in forrest anymore. [Tue Sep 6 2005] [00:57:52] ok yes, so names can not be completely different, cross-project compatibility to be maintained. [Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:01:38] During this lull, I take the opportunity to pack up here at work and join again later on when back at home in comfort. Bye for now. [Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:02:10] i too will be back in 30 minutes [Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:03:02] Part ipv6guru has left this channel. () [Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:07:02] well... probably you would find this funny: [Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:07:03] http://casa.che-che.com/~bot/forrest/ [Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:10:04] cheche: lol [Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:21:43] Join target-x has joined this channel. (n=thorsten@242.Red-213-97-135.pooles.rima-tde.net) [Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:21:45] re [Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:21:52] * target-x is thorsten [Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:22:44] hi [Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:23:08] I had a thought in the car about what nicolaken said [Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:23:23] rewritting parts of the pipe [Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:23:37] which wiki do we use? [Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:26:22] # /r no wiki, we use the dev list [Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:27:06] ok [Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:27:10] cheers [Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:33:12] Quit target-x has left this server. (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:36:54] Hmmm, getting awfully quiet around here. So I'm off to get some work done ... [Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:37:03] see ya later [Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:51:45] Join target-x has joined this channel. (n=thorsten@242.Red-213-97-135.pooles.rima-tde.net) [Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:56:12] Nick forrFerd is now known as ferdinand. [Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:56:46] ok, just a change of nickname [Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:56:52] Join Ron_ has joined this channel. (n=rblasch@62-99-200-51.sdsl-line.inode.at) [Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:57:57] Nick ferdinand is now known as ferdinandS. [Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:58:17] hi Ron, bit quiet here at the moment, [Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:58:30] Hi, yes it is. [Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:58:32] not much happened since Ross' email to dev@ [Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:59:33] and another change of nickname that can be registered [Tue Sep 6 2005] [01:59:49] Join quwiltw has joined this channel. (n=quwiltw@pcp03386307pcs.dallas01.ga.comcast.net) [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:01:52] Nick ferdinandS is now known as ferdinandS_. [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:02:58] Here's a ticket we might get closed: FOR-547 [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:03:03] /msg nickserv link ferdinandS 987dsf8fH [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:03:49] Nick ferdinandS_ is now known as ferdinandS. [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:04:14] Using forrest from within Ant (build.xml) failed, because I used ant-contrib-1.0b1. [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:05:02] Things work fine with 1.0b2. [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:05:19] Is it worth a FAQ entry, or should we simply close the ticket? [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:05:38] Quit target-x has left this server. (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:09:24] reading FOR-547 ... what FAQ are you referring to? [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:10:58] I was thinking about http://forrest.apache.org/docs_0_80/faq.html [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:12:17] ah, are you suggesting a new entry in that doc. I thought you refer to existing entry. [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:12:45] Sorry, should have been more specific. [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:12:56] no i misread. [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:14:08] The situation is somewhat interesting, because most things works fine, except downloading the Forrest plugins. [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:14:24] so yes probably would be worth an FAQ. [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:14:32] It wasn't easy to track this down to ant-contrib. [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:15:44] So, I'll come up with a few lines, and attach a patch to the issue? [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:17:15] that would be great. [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:19:03] Join x-targe1 has joined this channel. (n=thorsten@242.Red-213-97-135.pooles.rima-tde.net) [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:21:59] Join AnilRamnanan has joined this channel. (n=Anil@cuscon3427.tstt.net.tt) [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:22:20] Hello everyone. [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:22:22] Welcome Anil, nice to see you join us. [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:22:34] yeah great hi Anil [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:22:54] thank you. it is good to be here. [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:23:21] hi anil [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:23:29] Nick x-targe1 is now known as target-x. [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:23:49] sorry my provide makes it hard to stay tuned [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:24:07] I do not know how much of my last messages came through [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:24:27] xley [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:24:47] looking back ... [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:25:03] cheers [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:25:17] I got kicked out every minute [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:25:18] :( [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:25:21] hi all, are we still trying to tackle the subtasks of FOR-184? [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:25:59] Looks like 1 is complete enough to get going with 2? [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:26:19] Is the idea to convert forrest:views to use XHTML2 in place or create a new plugin for that too, or what? [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:26:30] nothing from T since you said "I had a thought in the car about what nicolaken said" and then discussion about dev list, then "cheers" about 90 minutes ago [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:27:11] ok [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:27:16] quwiltw: yes to FOR-184 [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:27:27] did you see Ross email to dev list? [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:28:23] the thought was, that we should be able to request any step of the processing pipeline by itself [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:28:36] not like we have now [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:28:50] book->tab->document->site [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:28:55] yes [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:28:59] that is the normal one [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:29:18] but it should be possible to request: [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:29:29] e.g. for index.xml [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:30:01] index.book.xml ->gives the overall menu which is the context of the request [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:30:25] index.tab.xml -> gives the overall navigation context of the request [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:31:07] index.source.xml -> gives the document in our internal format [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:31:44] this three different request should then be agggreated by the last step of the processing [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:32:27] this way we can use dynamic contracts as described in the view termilogy thread to request them in the view [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:32:29] so the request index.xml just aggregates the results of the former [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:32:38] yes [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:32:39] why index.tab? it makes more sense to have something like index.nav.xml [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:32:45] +1 [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:32:48] cheche [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:33:39] it is kind of what we have now but the currrent situation is too heavily linked to skins [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:33:50] Join ipv6guru has joined this channel. (n=gavinmcd@203-121-204-130.e-wire.net.au) [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:34:19] the benefit is that each view decides which parts it needs [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:34:30] and can easily override each part [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:34:38] Hi Guys, back again, I guess your all finished and its time for scrabble :) [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:34:42] target-x: I know .. but now that you are implementing new stuff, it make sense to change tab-nav [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:34:54] +1 cheche [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:35:08] what is your idea? [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:35:26] uniting menu and tab to nav? [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:36:14] well... it is just a though. [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:36:39] a tab is a diferent representation of the possible nodes that a page can access [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:36:45] same as the menu [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:37:06] yes [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:37:25] and is heavily connected to a document rather then a request [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:38:52] the way a see it, is that when you get a request say "/foo" [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:39:22] then you as a webmaster want to get in control of what should be displayed on the tabs and on the menu [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:39:31] yes [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:39:42] which is the navigation that should be displayed [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:39:52] yes [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:39:54] so site.xml is data [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:40:05] ipv6guru: Gav do you have log of what we are talking about here [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:40:26] and tabs or menu is just a portion of that [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:41:12] actually menu and tab are just a "view" on certain parts of this navigation [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:41:22] you described [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:41:30] target-x: yes.... but I did not want to say THAT WORD !!! [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:41:35] hahahahahahahhahahah [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:41:37] lol [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:41:59] they are everywhere ;-) [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:43:01] no log no, started again on home computer. [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:43:23] cheche JennyCurran is looging? [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:43:26] cheche: can we see your logfile in real-time, otherwise i will go add "log until now" to our svn [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:43:30] target-x: yes [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:43:51] xley: give me a sec... [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:43:55] :) you are my hero ;-) muchas gracias illo [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:43:58] i mean i would add my local log [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:49:51] coming back to what cheche said [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:50:20] the index.nav.xml is a node document [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:50:52] each node reflects another request that can be made [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:51:13] now thinking in java [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:52:09] each node can be resolved through the index.nav.xml and as well "neighbor" relations [Tue Sep 6 2005] [02:52:47]